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for see no alternative to accepting the

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theory that they come no I have a 30

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minute talk I may be late but I'm not

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that late okay I could therefore see no

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alternative mops just trying to keep me

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from talking today I don't know I can

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therefore see no alternative to

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accepting the theory they come from some

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extraterrestrial source and that's air

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chief marshal Lord doubting

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commander-in-chief of the Royal Air

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quoted in The Sunday dispatch and the

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last quote I'll offered today we will

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wear order to hide is the quote were

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ordered to hide sightings when possible

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but if a strong report does get out we

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have to publish a fast explanation make

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up something to kill the report in a

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hurry and also ridicule the witness

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especially if we can't figure a

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plausible answer we even have to

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discredit our own pilots and that's from

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Captain Edward J ruppelt chief of the

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aerial phenomena branch air technical

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intelligence service former head of

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Project Blue Book so if you wonder why

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there are not many good reports these

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are some clues so what I want to talk

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about today or some similar phenomena

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that are seen in both UFO cases and in

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parapsychology cases if true they can

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offer valuable guides in extending

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current physics so what's the nature of

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the evidence we have a variety of

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different types of phenomena remote

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viewing was one that got me involved I

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took three courses in remote viewing had

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a number of my own dramatic experiences

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I'm not going to go over them here my

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book talks about my own experiences but

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it's enough to convince you that

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something real is going on that you

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can't explain of course the military

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created a program in the early 70s

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through the CIA sponsorship that went on

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for more than 20 years with very expert

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people carefully selected as remote

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viewers and very high accuracy as a

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Princeton pair lab has shown you can

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take average

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people are fairly average people if you

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do enough experiments you can still get

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good data they're not as good as some of

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these star remote viewers like Pat price

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for John mcmonagle but if you do enough

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statistics you still get positive

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results so we all have this ability to

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some degree what's remarkable is it does

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not weaken with distance or with time

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offset very much not the way that you

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would expect if it were one of the

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familiar laws of physics and jessica odd

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still a statistical analysis of some of

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the remote viewing tests and concluded

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that it's a real effect both Jill

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mcmonagle and Ingo Swann have remote

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viewed structured craft and in fact in

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the military program that was one of the

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interesting things that went on that

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they often were given UFOs as remote

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viewing targets and this is just a quote

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from one remote viewer looking into a

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UFO I'm not going to go into this I

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think we're probably a little short on

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time here but oftentimes when you do

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remote viewing of UFOs people get

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information about the the drives the

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engines the propulsion the occupants

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things like that so there has been a lot

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of interplay and exchange of information

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back and forth using a remote viewing as

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a tool to look at UFOs and also people

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who have abduction experiences who are

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taking the board craft often are taught

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psychic practices that help them to

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become better remote viewers so there's

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a back and forth in this whole subject

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the out-of-body experience is one more

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familiar phenomenon of at the present

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time that the Chinese and US have

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reproduced with hard experiments in the

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laboratory the reality of the OBE is not

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just it's not just something where you

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think you went out of body and your kind

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of fooling yourself they've been able to

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measure physical measurable

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electromagnetic distortions that happen

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when someone goes out of body and in the

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Chinese case they

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put their target it was a China it was a

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Chinese character written on a piece of

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paper in a envelope in a sealed room

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next to a piece of x-ray film and they

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found when their chinese remote viewer

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and some of these guys are really really

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good when they were able to read that

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character correctly and the odds you

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have 50,000 characters so getting the

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correct one by chance it's very

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difficult when they got the right

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character they found that the film was

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exposed and it was imprinted with a

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shadow of the Chinese character that was

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next to it so some kind of energy form

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was present at the envelope when the

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remote viewer was there so American

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experimenters have repeated the

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experiment using photomultiplier tubes

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and gotten similar results not quite as

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strong statistically but you know

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similar results back in the 70s Carlos

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OSIS and Alex 10 aus conducted an OB

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experiment where the target was in a

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sealed room surrounded by various

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detectors and when OSIS when 10 house

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was getting correct information about

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the remote viewing target the detectors

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were going crazy they were showing

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electromagnetic fields strain gauge

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sensors other things that correlated

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with his accurate viewing and Keith

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harare did a much cheaper version of

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this experiment he had a pet kitten that

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liked him a lot it had a quite a bond

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and he put it the cat in the Box out in

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the middle of a field and they observed

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what the cat was doing and they noticed

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that when the cat was nervous it would

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paste the box so they had squares marked

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in the bottom of the box and the cat

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would meow so he counted them meows and

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they counted how many squares had

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crossed then harare was off you know

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half mile away or something another

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building he would go obe an attempt to

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come and comfort the kitten and the

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right hand graph is the the meows per

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minute on the left hand column when he's

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not trying to comfort the kitten and the

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right hand column which is virtually

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invisible the meows per minute when he

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comforting the kitten the cat got quiet

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the cat knew he was there and the same

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the kitten was crossing so this is a

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low-tech way to repeat that experiment a

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variety of people have mastered obe

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travel and where's Bob Monroe at the

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mineral Institute has technology for

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helping people to do this we know a lot

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about this process now of course it

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defies our current science we can't

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really explain in electromagnetic terms

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what the astral body is or how you can

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have a consciousness outside a physical

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body but Bob Monroe did experiments in

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that state and one thing he found is

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that when he was in a room that had a

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wire mesh in the walls and he charged

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that wire mesh up to a high voltage he

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was unable then to escape from the walls

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of the gov the box so there's an

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interaction between high voltage and the

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astral body obes of course are also seen

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in UFO cases this is a drawing by Betty

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andreasson Luca who had many encounters

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and this is one of her abductions she's

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sketching two pictures of herself one

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her physical body lying on the sofa the

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other her OBE body which is being led by

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a little being up into the craft so a

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lot of activities are reported in

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abduction cases where the the physical

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body is remaining behind and the person

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is going up to the craft in the astral

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form so it plays a big role in whatever

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is being taught to the abduction of duck

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T the the soul and the whole dynamics of

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the soul the path of the soul plays a

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big role in parapsychology in the near

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death experiences idanian Brinkley's

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near-death experience he reported have

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been going through a panoramic life

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review having the thirteen beings of

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light interrogate him and show him

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various images of the future this is

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raymond moody studied the near-death

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experience phenomena and found the same

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pattern

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occurs over and over again and people of

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very different cultural and religious

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backgrounds orbs are often seen leaving

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the body at at death I've talked to

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nurses and hospitals who are with people

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doing hospice work and often times of a

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form of orb is seen leaving the body

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move quickly here so there is this

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energy form that our present science

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can't really explain that is often

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associated with consciousness and seems

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to be able to leave the physical body in

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the UFO area when abductors are taken

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aboard craft this is another beta

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andreas and Luca drawing but its

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correlates with other people's

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descriptions that in that light body

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that astral form they often go through

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exercises and lessons which they don't

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make a lot of sense to us but it appears

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as though they're being taught something

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about the nature of that form of

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consciousness and this is a depiction of

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a case that Steven Greer talks about